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Post by Andrea on Apr 17, 2015 8:14:13 GMT
Congratulations to the 3 finalists. Right now I think I have my mind made up but I want to give you all an equal shot at my vote so I'll leave it in the air for now. first of all I know that I was mia for the latter part of the merge after Tyson got voted out. This was not me giving up but rather I was very very busy with life. To Fabio,
I have to say that out of the 3 I really really enjoyed talking to you the most because we have similar interests, even though we never talked game I'm glad that I got to know you. HOWEVER (correct me if I'm wrong) you said that you wanted to play as honest as possible and that included telling Tyson that he was getting voted out. I understand that I had to go at 6, but why not leave a few messages throughout the rounds sierra and Brandon were blindsided? I have 1 question for you, other than winning the immunity at the time you needed it the most, what was it that you did strategically that got you to where you were?
To RC,
I did enjoy talking to you when the swap happened, and just so you know, I had every intention of working with you and PG. Ok, so in retrospect you and PG played very similar games, but your game was much more open. What I can't take is that your talk about your game as if it's all high and mighty, that you seemed to make the moves you did yourself. Why should I believe this? Right before the Sierra vote, you had told me "I don't give people false hope that's not the person I am" and you did keep to that and voted out Sierra, HOWEVER; you had also mentioned that you won something in the auction and that it would benefit me and you in going further. so tell me what do you call that? is that false hope or were you using that as strategy? this question is very simple Did you think that PG was using you as a goat? because she was behind the scenes instructing you to make the moves for her.To PG, PG PG PG. I gotta say that before I started talking with Fabio that I very much enjoyed talking with you, and like I said with RC I did have every intention of working with you guys. You played very well from what I saw, and managed (to an extent) to get very little if any blood on your hands, if any at all. I don't know how much you were on after the merge because I was only on for a little bit of the day, so that was most likely my fault. but I seemed to see you most online when the deadline was quickly approaching and after a bit you would just leave like you figured out the vote and had nothing more to say. Very simple you seem to pride yourself with being all knowing in this game, so I want you to explain to me as best you can what you think the old Huaiyu tribe dynamics were. during swap, and after merge. and no I don't want a huge Sonja vs Joe speech. I will personally show you I won't vote for you if you do this
To all 3 of you. explain very briefly why I should vote for you as the winner
AND FINALLY because this is asked in every tribal
compare each juror including the final 3 to a former survivor player
Thank you and good luck to all 3
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Post by Fabio on Apr 17, 2015 13:48:52 GMT
Andrea!! Let me say that you were one of the people I enjoyed talking to the most too. I love it when I meet a fellow math geek, and I hope that you enjoyed my lame math puns lol. I wish we talked more, tbh.
I understand that I had to go at 6, but why not leave a few messages throughout the rounds sierra and Brandon were blindsided?
I dunno if you remember this but we actually had a pretty lengthy talk during the Brandon vote. I told you flat out that I was voting you but that I would make a move with you if you had an idea. I did this because I knew you had Brandon's idol, lol. So I was HOPING you would give that info away and then maybe we could make some sort of move with it. But I completely understand why you didn't do that.
During the Sierra vote, my M.O. was really just to keep my head low and be a lot more subtle. I wasn't entirely sure if you were with anyone, so I thought coming to you to make a move might have completely screwed me over.
I have 1 question for you, other than winning the immunity at the time you needed it the most, what was it that you did strategically that got you to where you were?
Lots of things! I've kinda gone over them in other questions, so sorry if I repeat myself. Basically, when you are on the outs, the only thing you can do is make sure that the majority's eyes are on someone else for at least one round. Then you can get yourself to the next round, etc. Here are some times I did that.
- During the Brandon vote, we each said that we got each other's items. This was supposed to be a ploy to keep us safe (since Brandon was ACTUALLY immune, and everyone thought I was immune) that would technically ensure that neither of us went home that round. Unfortunately, Brandon got bored and gave away his idol to you...and that got him out the door lol. But it saved my skin, since RC was going to target me.
- During the Sierra vote, before I knew that I was going to win immunity, I hardcore threw Sierra under the bus to RC. I didn't want to do this, since I love Sierra, but I knew that Sierra was just trying to play everyone and I was afraid that she might have done the same to me if she had the opportunity. But this got RC pissed, and she was going to target Sierra before me, getting me a spot at F6.
- Then on the round you left, I took advantage of the fact that Reynold was blindsided on the Sierra vote. I told him and Todd that I'd be willing to target PG, but we all agreed that you had to go first. We couldn't let you get to the F4. Again, this would have hypothetically kept me safe for two rounds (at F6 and F5).
So basically, while I definitely NEEDED immunity at F5/F4, I didn't just sit back and expect to ride on my IC wins. I was still playing as if I wasn't going to be immune and making moves to save myself. And I think I did a very good job on this, because it's clear that I was a target from the beginning of the merge..but managed to dodge every cannonball the majority shot at me and get to the finale.
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Post by Fabio on Apr 17, 2015 14:25:15 GMT
To all 3 of you. explain very briefly why I should vote for you as the winner
In brief, it's because it was the most difficult for me to get here. I was the majority target throughout the game and I had to FIGHT to get this spot. Whether it was by winning immunity or tricking the majority into going after someone else, I did my best to ensure that I was not going to be the one going home that round. And I will do your comparison question later!!
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Post by Peih-Gee on Apr 17, 2015 18:09:19 GMT
Hey Andrea. <3 Aw, thanks girl! I really enjoyed talking with you too. I think we instantly got along from the moment we spoke on Huaiyu together and you were someone who I knew instantly I wanted to work with. I'm glad you felt the same too! Sorry if you felt like I mislead you or anything, the Sierra blindside was mostly strategic move to get me to the final three, but I think it would've been harder to go through with it if it wasn't you who was the other target and it gave me another motive to keep you around. Then at the Final 6 round, I honestly was preferring Fabio to leave, I even voiced that out. But I didn't have a vote due to playing the Lotus on myself, making myself immune, cause I knew I was being looked at as an end game threat by players such as Reynold/Fabio, plus I felt like I as a prime candidate to get idolled out, I didn't know where it was at that point. Ultimately, Wuyi as a whole were united in sticking together, so I think you even knew that eventually you'd be taken out at some stage. Yup, I don't think it's a coincidence that I made the same moves, broke the same alliances as Reynold/RC did, without getting the same level of blood on my hands. Yeah, I did play a strategic and cutthroat game. At the end of the day, when pretty much everyone is wanting you in your alliance, you have to make some tough decisions. I did have a hand in putting everyone (with the exception of yourself/Malcolm) on the jury, it's true. But I think considering that, I managed the jury just about as well as it's possible. Of course for someone like Fabio, it's easier to have a jury on your side, when you're not part of the blindsides, the alliances that are broken. But I told myself that I'd play a well rounded game, combining social/strategic/strength abilities and I think I stuck to that. I wanted to get here on my own terms and not just float by. I think my game speaks for itself, all I can do is let the jury decide what they believe is a more respectable game and who they'd rather decide is the deserving winner of The Survivor Games: Jiangxi! <3 I too feel that we often struggled to get online at the same time after the merge. I don't know, I guess real life got in the way at different times of the day for both of us. You seemed to be around more during the day, I was usually out then. I tended to do my socialising/strategising at night time, and I think that didn't always match up with when you had your free time. I wish we'd gotten more of a chance to talk at this stage of the game, that's for sure. Honestly, sometimes I was busy with schoolwork and such so I was figuring out the vote and making sure it was set in stone, before I focused on that. But I think overall I was available to chat for most of the day and happy to talk to anyone who wanted to hear from me! Yeah, I do think I had a better read of the game than anyone else and I think that's something to take into consideration when you all are considering who to vote for. That goes back to Wuyi days right until the end. Hm, as for the Huaiyu dynamics. Honestly I can't pretend I can be too insightful into a tribe that I wasn't apart of. I can only speak for the members of that tribe who I did get to meet and events of the game that happened form that point on. I can make some assumptions based on the information I had. I know Lindsey was sent to the Temple in the first round and Joe in the second round. From that, I would assume that they were decently positioned on your tribe, considering they were voted in there. I figured Joe/Chris were a pair, seeing as they clearly planned to boot Sonja together, so I'd assume that was the case on original Huaiyu too. I think you/Tyson were close, because when that alliance of you/me/RC/Reynold/Tyson was formed, you were the one who pitched for Tyson to be included in there. So I took that you were closer to him than you were with Marty/Malcolm. Hum what else. I know that Sonja liked and respected you. She was very adamant on having #girlpower on swapped Huaiyu and she said that you were the one who told her that So was leaving when she otherwise was going to be left out of that plan. I don't think she was quite as close with Marty, once she knew that we had the numbers to get Joe out without him, I don't think she necessarily wanted him in on that plan, like we did. At one point, she told me that Marty was telling her why she wasn't well liked on your original tribe, so perhaps he shared those feelings. I think Lindsey liked Tyson too, cause she made an alliance on Wuyi with Tyson/Fabio/Reynold. Overall, if I were to have a guess at who was in a solid position on original Huaiyu, I'd say you, Tyson, Lindsey, Joe, Chris and maybe Marty too. I know Joe/Chris threw together a big alliance that rubbed some people the wrong way, yourself included, so perhaps that would put them at the bottom of the group. I definitely got the vibe that Sonja was an outsider, and I can only assume from Malcolm not being around as much, like he was when I met him at the merge, that he wasn't particularly tied to anyone. Obviously there was the tension between Joe/Sonja too, which we both know about, but I won't get into details, as you wish. That's the best that I can make of the information I got, obviously if I was actually part of the tribe and making those connections/interactions as they were happening, I'd have a better understanding. Hopefully at least some of it is on track. I should win this game, cause I didn't rely on one or two qualities to get to the end. A good Survivor winner should have a well rounded game combining social/strategic/strength aspects, and in my eyes, I soar well above and beyond the other finalists in this regard. I think my social/strategic abilities speak for themselves. I was that girl that everyone wanted in their alliance, I was pretty quiet like Todd described, but I think I took in every bit of information that came to me and decided what the right path forward was in the game for me. I had immunity wins, found an idol, played a Lotus, won a fire challenge, was in the know for every vote every single round. My game was multi dimensional, I was able to play about as clean of a game as one can have when they vote in the majority every single round and effectively minimalised the anger of the jury towards me, in a way that RC/Reynold were seemingly unable to do. This doesn't mean I "had an easy road to the finals" like Fabio would describe, I was around hours a day socialising and building the relationships that I made to get myself to this point. Finding that idol took me like three weeks! Doesn't sound easy to me. Faced with the pressure of a fire making challenge where you get literally one shot and if you screw it up, you're on the jury, isn't easy! I saw my path to the finals being blocked by Sierra, so when I saw that, I acted on it at the perfect time when I knew I had the votes, so I made that move for my game to secure my spot here, or else I would be on the jury addressing the finalists right now.These are the reasons I think I deserve to win this game, I hope people understand where I'm coming from and make the right choice. Welp, here we go! I had to pause and think through long and hard through these. I hope the reasoning makes sense! Tyson: Jeremy Collins!Hm, interesting choice. I was looking for an early juror who I think had all the skills to be a potential winner of this game. If Huaiyu had the numbers at the merge, Tyson would've been my pick to win and I think Wuyi all knew that and that's why he left. Jeremy was very social and strategic, plus strong in challenges. I think Tyson has those same attributes. Marty: Stephen Fishbach!Marty was a player who, like Stephen, is a bit underrated and overshadowed by some other Survivor players. He was very social, at least with me, and always willing to discuss plans and ways forward in the game. It would've been interesting to see Marty make it further into the merge, I would've liked to see the type of player he could grow into and and I'm sure he could've shown his true potential. Malcolm: Brett Clouser!Someone who was very much behind the shadows. From what I got to know of Malcolm, I see he is an easy to get along with player, who I'm sure if he hadn't been ill and caught up with real life and such, being able to put more time into the game, he could've been a good under the radar player. Brandon: J.T. Thomas!Brandon had the same social charm that JT had, it's why I was drawn to him from the beginning and he was my very first ally in this game. He tried to make a big move by giving you the idol to take out Reynold, but ultimately it backfired and it went out of the game. It would've been the best move in this series if it paid off, just like J.T. giving his idol to Russell, but it just didn't work out for him. Sierra: Abi-Maria Gomes!I think this is an easy choice! She was feisty, she told it like it was. Sierra definitely rubbed some people the wrong way in this game, just like Abi did in Philippines. But she still worked her way deep into the merge, seemed to be in the controlling alliance, before ultimately being taken out once the numbers flipped on her. Andrea: Spencer Bledsoe!You were kinda like the Huaiyu Hero to me in a way that Spencer was to his alliance in the game. It seemed like you were done for time after time, but you kept proving your doubters wrong by slipping through! You definitely were popular and I'm sure had a lot of jury support, but had to be taken out just before the finals, just like Spencer. Todd: Cirie Fields!Todd was someone who everyone was drawn to. I don't think there is anyone who made the jury who can say a bad thing about Todd. He was a social player, just like Cirie. He maybe wasn't necessarily in the strongest position from the very beginning or part of the major alliances, but he worked individual relationships to get right to the top, before just falling short of the finals, like Cirie in S12/16. Reynold: Rob Mariano!Someone who you either love or hate! He's great socially, knows how to get people on his side, and works his alliances with a lot of skill. He's very strategic and cutthroat, so that's why some of the jury weren't too pleased with how he played the game. It reminds me of Rob, he voted people out, some respected him, some didn't, but ultimately, nobody can deny he's a great player! Hope you read through that all, Andrea!
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Post by Andrea on Apr 17, 2015 19:40:47 GMT
Thank you both for your honesty.
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Post by Fabio on Apr 18, 2015 1:22:34 GMT
TysonFor Tyson, I chose Aaron Reisberger. Aaron was seen as a huge threat by the people in his season, much like Tyson. And much like Aaron, the moment that Tyson was vulnerable, he was taken out. I liked Aaron a lot on his season, so this is definitely an apt comparison for Tyson. MartyMarty reminds me a lot like Penner. Both of them were straight up, no-BS guys, which is something I really appreciated about Marty. He always told me exactly what he was thinking. Likewise, him and Penner both had a dry sense of wit about them, which I enjoyed. MalcolmCarter was someone who was very lowkey during his season, but someone I enjoyed a lot throughout his season. Malcolm was the same way, I think. If Malcolm was around more, I think I really would've enjoyed him a lot more than I already did. Plus, both him and Carter are qts, so... BrandonBrandon reminded me a lot like Jon Misch. Both were incredibly likable and social. Also, both of them had a good shot at winning the game, but it had to be taken away from him by other players in the game. SierraLike Alicia, Sierra was a bad bitch with #nofilter. They were both definitely characters in this game. Sierra would demand what she wanted, and more or less always get what she wanted. She definitely used this to her advantage to get the game to go her way. AndreaCall me uncreative, but I say Andrea is a lot like Andrea. They are both bubbly, charming people. I loved talking to Andrea, and I really wish we talked a lot more. They were both taken out because they were big threats. Both times the real Andrea played, she was targeted near the endgame because she would've done great at the FTC. The same is true for our Andrea, who would've killed it if she made FTC. ToddTodd reminds me a lot like Julie Berry. EVERYONE loved Julie in Vanuatu (even Jeff Probst), and she used her charm to progress throughout the game. Unfortunately, Julie eventually had to be taken out. ReynoldReynold was a huge player in this game. Both he and Tony were very personable and likable, two qualities that they each used to get what they want. Likewise, Reynold was able to navigate multiple alliances and be on generally good terms with almost everyone. The same goes for Tony, who had his share of fans and haters. Now for the finalists, I've already compared them both to Russell, so I'll go with someone different for each of them. PGI chose Courtney Y. for PG. Mostly based on her China appearance. Courtney was someone who was in the loop for all the votes, and generally was involved with the going ons of the season. However, she played her game behind some of the bigger players in her alliance, and ultimately got second. RCAmi was the ICE QUEEN. She called the shots and gave no fucks about what other's thought about her. I really feel like RC was the major force behind most of the going ons in this game. Like Ami, RC had a group of underlings who were more or less fine with keeping her around due to a) loyalty, or b) because the jury might be pissed at her. But Ami took all the heat, which eventually lead to her blindside. In this case, I think it's lead to a jury who is not so happy with her. And of course... FabioPlaying the game like Fabio wasn't what I intended when I joined this game, but it's ultimately what ended up happening. Fabio took advantage of three things to make it to the end: Likability, challenge strength, and a great strategy to make it to the end of the game and ultimately cinch the win. That's what I did in this game as well. Despite being on the outs, we both used our charm and our brains to make move that would ultimately trick the majority into keeping us around for another round. Neither of us played a passive or non-strategic game, although it might appear that way on the surface. I had to work each and every round to make sure that no one would be writing my name down. And in the end, my name was only written down once by Marty, despite being the intended target for many many rounds. Thanks for the question, Andrea. <3
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Post by Peih-Gee on Apr 18, 2015 4:08:18 GMT
Oh, I just saw you wanted us to compare the finalists to a Survivor player too. I'll put that up later.
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Post by Peih-Gee on Apr 18, 2015 4:13:26 GMT
I thought I was Russell Hantz and now I'm Courtney Yates lol? They're like completely different players. Make up your mind, Fabio!
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Post by Fabio on Apr 18, 2015 4:33:20 GMT
Either way, you still got second!
(But like I said in the post, I already compared you to Russell, so I figured I'd compare you to someone a little different but is also like you. <3)
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Post by Peih-Gee on Apr 18, 2015 5:29:22 GMT
Here are the finalists! RC: Stephenie LaGrossa
RC played a strong, cutthroat, strategic game, much like Stephenie did in Guatemala! She made it to the end, but maybe didn't have the best jury management along the way and that cost her in the end. Maybe I'm a bit like Rafe in this situation, I made the same moves and took out the same people, but I was much more effective in how I handled the jury and minimalised the jury anger towards me as much as possible. Fabio: Woo Hwang
Woo was likeable and won some challenges. He didn't initiate any big moves and floated by in the game. Ultimately, the jury maybe prefer him on a personal level, compared to his competition at the end, but they realise that he's up against a stronger player whose track record speaks for itself, they award the win to the player who did help initiate every big move in this game. I hope my jury is like the Cagayan jury. <3 Peih-Gee: Parvati Shallow
Parvati was the complete package! She was strong at challenges, found an idol, was socially charming and likeable, plus made some power moves to secure her spot at the end. She did have to go back on her word from time to time, but ultimately, the jury respected her game and award her the win, because they realise she was the best player. Hopefully this jury has a similar mindset and recognise me as the best player!
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Post by RC on Apr 18, 2015 5:34:23 GMT
Did you think that PG was using you as a goat? because she was behind the scenes instructing you to make the moves for her.Andrea! You were such a fierce player this season. And fun to talk to, wish we had more conversations. I think that is a major flaw for us working together. We seemed to never talk too much. When we did talk it was like 2 hours between replies on both ends. LOL. We were the worst. But still had a good time. As for the "False hope" it was actually me saying we had something, and it was Peih-Gee's lotus. I think there was a plan originally for us to use it on you, so you would be safe, and we were going to try to get Fabio out. However, I wasn't sure if you were loyal, and than Reynold and you talked about me going, and of course Reynold told me. I had no reason to doubt him at this point in the game. And than when you left you did vote me so It was true. I wasn't upset about that at all, i understand why you voted me. You were going hard, claws out, to stay in this game. SUPER respectable. I love you for that! I love gamers so much, because that is why I like survivor. I don't like survivor to watch someone get lucky round after round, than win on a technicality that the jury wasn't bitter towards him, or her, speculating.
Anyways, as for me being a goat. I wouldn't say that what so ever. I came up with alot of the plans, making sure a random vote was thrown out in case there were idols. Making sure to "quarantine" people we didn't want part of the plan. The whole Sierra thing, I didn't want you to tell Reynold or Fabio, and God forbid Sierra, i told you to just trust me that I had your back. The round before that Brandon's ousting, I came up with that plan, called it "THE 4 FINGER PLAN" it entailed just 4 of us being included in the plan, while everyone else voted you, and you would vote for whoever you would vote for. But either way we would have the votes to get Brandon out. (Originally wanted Fabio but we all know about that...) I came up with elaborate plans that seemed to work. So not a GOAT by any means. To all 3 of you. explain very briefly why I should vote for you as the winner .
I think you should vote for me as the winner because I worked my ass off from the start of this game. I wasn't aggressive in the start, and I didn't promise deals to everyone. At the start of the game I relied on "THE COVEN" alliance. I was 100% deadset on this alliance. I talked to Fabio/Brandon/Todd on my original tribe but didn't bring up game, because I wanted to remain loyal and if I did have to eventually have to vote those boys out they wouldn't remember me as the girl that made a deal with them than backstabbed me...However the game wasn't as clear cut. I had to get aggressive and make fake deals. I don't want you to think I am "ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY" talking about my game, that isn't exactly the case. You should know by how the jury is acting that it wasn't this holier than thou game. BUT...in the same line, I was proud of the game I played. I made the moves, people might think I wasn't making these moves. But I was, and i had the tools (you guys) to pull these moves off. By you voting for me you will be voting for a SURVIVOR, a person that even at the end of the game...when the votes have been read, can stand on their own 2 feet and not rely on someone else to give them orders.
TYSON:COACH When i talked to Tyson he was always kind of just random as all hell. And i loved that, he never said anything bizzare. But there was this calm ora that surrounded Tyson. It reminded me of Coach.
MARTY : COCHRAN Smart, Loveable, and just intresting. Marty didn't flip exactly the same way that Cochran did in his original season. He was smart about what he did. Marty was also loyal to people who proved to be loyal to him.
MALCOM:Jermiah? Kinda just there...made it to Jury.
BRANDON:ERIC Okay so you weren't as dumb and useless as Eric, but man...your own IDOL
SIERRA:COLTON Loud, annoying, jumped to conclusions. Vicious.
ANDREA: KAT Kat was super fun, and Andrea you were super fun. You were in a great spot in this game multiple times. Lots of people liked you, lots of people liked Kat, but she had to go in fear that if you made it any further she would win this SHIT ;P Just like You.
TODD:JANE Todd before you get upset...hear me out. LOL Jane was in this amazing spot in the season that she played. She was friends with everyone left in the game. Than they realized they needed to get her out before she was going to win the game because she was as sweet as pie. TODD you are as sweet as pie.
REYNOLD: Malcom Not to be confused with the Malcolm that was on this season. You were the REAL Malcolm. You were liked by almost everyone. Even people that hated you, liked you. You were very informative, got alot of information. You shared that information with me. Malcolm was also competitive, and hot. Like you.
FABIO Honestly Fabio's game reminds me of Sherri...Reason being. Sheri took that backseat role and did what she was told. It was easy to get Fabio to vote a certain way. It was easy for him to agree. However, Sheri made it to the final 3 not just with luck, she got with the right people. I think that Fabio was all luck LOL! Jk Fabio knows how he plays this game and I can respect him for that.
PG: PARVATII compare PG to Parvati because she seems like that awesome side kick <3 She was kickass, aggressive, and won challenges. She found idols, and saved herself when people wanted her GONE!
RC:RICHARD I am going to compare myself to Richard because I am, like him, an unapologetic bitch. I, like Richard, came into this game with the frame of mind of a Winner. I knew what I wanted and i went for it. I didn't take the easy route. I was in the front lines chopping off heads, and taking names. I was never afraid to make a move. I had fun playing this game, and so did Richard. And in the end...let the SNAKE eat the RAT.
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Post by Fabio on Apr 18, 2015 14:21:37 GMT
Omg I compared you to ami and you give me Sherri??? Not cool
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Post by Sierra on Apr 18, 2015 19:06:10 GMT
Colton? Do I look like quitter? no
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Post by Marty on Apr 18, 2015 21:28:01 GMT
*compares me to Cochran, goes on to describe how I'm nothing like Cochran*
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